What do you mean by going in a similar way? Towards an IPO?

Not so much ire than awareness and planning so we don’t get caught pants down. I’ve been using them for 5 years, paid for it and have a pretty elaborate setup which supports services for family and friends. I’ve been happy so far, but will be decoupling from their infrastructure. No ire for them, just for the system. The system makes people and firms do what they do. 😄

Huh, I actually didn’t know this because I don’t use Windows/macOS/iOS. Somehow completely missed this.

Yeah, as I said, it’s a friendly reminder. I’m personally probably doing it this year. It’s entirely possible that enshittification could come even years from now. It all depends on how their enterprise adoption goes I think. The more money they make there, the longer the individual users are gonna be left unsqueezed.

Well not “the” backend server but “a” different backend server. As far as I know Headscale is a separate implementation from what Tailscale run themselves.

I think it would be cool if Tailscale made it into the enterprise arena.

I think they already have started. Telus is on their list of clients.

Nah, DNS is separate and these features are indeed pretty great. I think Headscale can also do them. I think I tested MagicDNS if I recall correctly.

If there’s no one who can replace you with someone else, if you don’t deliver profit growth that they expect, then there’s a chance for you to apply principle over profit because it’s up to you. Many if not most corporations however can and do replace corporate leadership that doesn’t deliver profit growth with one that does. In these circumstances, leadership can rarely put principle over profit without being replaced. Many if not most of us see the direct effects of this process on our lives, working to get ever more of our incomes and health. This process hasn’t stopped and hasn’t slowed down. The opposite. This is why you’re hearing us grinding against capitalism as we can see the system all around us grinding us down. This is why it’s likely you’ll keep hearing it and it’s likely gonna get louder. I might not have your product in my home. If I do, I might be very happy with it because you’re not trying to get as much money out of me as you can. However I am certain without checking that I have Unilever, Kraft, Nestle, PepsiCo, Google and so on, and I know they are. You probably do too and they’re probably skinning you just as much. This is what capitalism is for us and we will grind against it because our standard of living is falling and it’s not because of people like you. Small businesses have much more in common with us in this, than large corporations, or small corporations funded by large capital of different kinds. I’m an employee of a very large, well known American corporation that has strategically stopped making products that were objectively better for its customers but had lower margins, replacing them with much more expensive, higher margin ones. I’m not getting anything from the difference. Our major shareholders do.

Thank you!

Nice to hear your experience with Nebula. I considered it when I went with Tailscale years ago. Now you gotta migrate off of lemm.ee as it’s shutting down soon. :D

I am not that big of an enthusiast, but the way I see it, if a company goes rogue and you’re using their open source code, it’s just a matter of forking it (I’m thinking about Emby/Jellyfin as an example) If you rely on their infrastructure (such as Tailscale servers) then you are at the mercy of the companies

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if I setup Headscale on my network, I would have to open a port on my router to connect to it right?

The way I understand it is:

I would have to open a port on my router to connect to it right?

Yes

if I setup Headscale with some cloud provider, could they theoretically go and use the setup to get to my home network?

If they are able to authorize their own node to your Headscale server, then their node gets on your network. If they take over the Headscale node, they might also be able to access your network, either by changing Headscale’s config to auth another node or perhaps if the Headscale node is part of the network, which it might be, I don’t recall. But I think that’s immaterial. If someone takes over the Headscale machine, they can get on your network either way.

The point is there really is no separation or clear line of demarcation on what is “good” funding and what is “bad” funding.

I understand and I disagree. A demarcation emerges from the goal of the funding and its effects. For me, one example of bad funding is funding that drives user acquisition at unsustainable prices by a firm that is also significantly controlled by the funding source. This is predominantly what VC-funding goes to. VC-funding that goes to a non-profit that the VC has no control over, where the VC can’t and does not demand financial return from, is not bad funding in my books. Corporate funding doing the same thing is also not bad funding. Government funding often has the least strings attached as it does not demand direct return, and this also is not bad funding. To top that off citizens can exercise control over government funding via the democratic process, unlike corporate or VC funding, where the vast majority have zero control, and are owed no accountability by the businesses.

That’s not really a justifiable reason, though.

To you it isn’t, but to some of us it is. For me the standard business cycle is not acceptable because I almost inevitably end up under the bus.

The Linux Foundation isn’t a comparable example for me since it’s a non-profit. As a result it isn’t subject to the same market pressures for-profit businesses do, let alone VC-funded ones.

At this point, with everything I know and have experienced about the economy, politics and the world, I am trying to avoid depending on for-profit businesses as much as I can. I know how businesses operate, I know why they operate the way they do, I know what dynamics push them in the directions they go and I’m tired of being run over by the bus. If I ever form a business myself it would either be a non-profit, or a worker co-op, or both, as this will signal everyone who knows what I know what the direction of this business would be about.

Just looked at NetBird, it looks suspiciously similar to Tailscale in what it does except they also got an open-source control server. They have self-hosting doc right in their web site. Looks interesting. Can’t find much about the company other than it’s based in Berlin and it’s currently private - Wiretrustee UG.

No writeups. I tried following the Headscale doc for a test last year. Set it up on the smallest DigitalOcean VM. Worked fine. Didn’t use a UI, had to add new clients via CLI on the server. When I set it up for real, I’d likely setup a UI as well and put it in a cloud outside of the US. It would work at home too but any other connection would die if my home internet dies or the power does. E.g. accessing one laptop from another, or accessing the off-site backup location.

Headscale maintainer hours contributed by Tailscale

Could you expand on this?

Easier/zero configuration compared to manual WG setup. Takes care of ports and providing transparent relay when no direct connection works.

For me personally, the next step is using Headscale - a FOSS replacement of the Tailscale control server. The Tailscale clients are already open source and can be used with Headscale.

Someone else could give other suggestions.

Is unbound different than say dnsmasq that my router is running? Isn’t it just another DNS server that has to go to a higher DNS server for resolution?